תגית: חוק

This is the middle east, so of course it's even more complicated than that. I'll try to give a very compressed answer here, it's missing a lot of nuance.

First, I'm a humanist, I want no one person to die or suffer. This is not a Utopia so I'd like to have Hamas' operatives stripped of a few freedoms, i.e. put in jail, for their crimes, However I don't think their subjects (That's civilians in dictatorship-speak) should suffer for their wrongdoings.

Second, the question of oppression here is a bit complex. There are extremists, nationalists, fundamentalists on both sides. I think both sides must suppress theirs so we can get peace. Hamas are the first obvious target, as they are terrorists. They killed thousands of Israelis and thousands of Palestinians, they are a clear-cut example of a terror organization thinking only about itself, and it's unfathomable how they are still considered "freedom fighters" by anyone.
They took billions in donations, over a billion dollars in cash were even hand delivered to them by Israel (Seriously, Bibi actually believed it would appease them), And that's AFTER they took over in a vicious coup in 2007 and killed hundreds (some sources say 1500) of the Palestinian Authority's local government in some very gruesome ways (some were publicly thrown off towers or dragged behind bikes for all to see). Those billions were supposed to build Gaza – education, industries, hospitals – and instead they built bombs and tunnels (but not a single public bomb shelter for the civilians). They shot missiles into Israel from school-yards and hospitals for two decades knowing that the IDF would fire back and children would die. It was their intention. They wanted the world to paint us as the bad guys, and they helped cultivate an ethos of Palestinians as refugees and martyrs, a whole generation of mothers in Gaza believe their life should be dedicated to making more kids to end up as martyrs for the cause.
So how were Gazans oppressed? Well, they after the missiles started we had to put up the blockade. Of course we could not allow them smuggle in ammo – but food, water and electricity was flowing in. They obviously managed to get in machine guns, AK-47s. RPGs and anti-tank missiles of all sorts. in fact dozens of missiles were found now in Gaza that trace back to black markets in Ukraine, given to the Ukrainians for self defence by NATO and they end up killing Israeli soldiers, We even found weapons made by Iran and North Korea in Gaza. So not much of a blockade either, I assume they came through the Egyptian border. IDF will have to reclaim the Philadelphi Corridor to stop the smuggling.

So from my POV, I agree Palestinians are oppressed in the west bank by Israel, but in Gaza it's definitely Hamas that are the stronger oppression over the Gazans. They steal most of their funds and use it for their military goals, not long or short term safety and prosperity of the Gazans, just the miles and miles of terror tunnels they hide in, and using the Gazans as human shields.

Third, the West Bank situation. That is the one place Israel is really being oppressive and I hate it. I have been protesting against it for 40 of my 50 years. It's a real injustice that needs a real solution but our extremists managed to colour that land grab as "National necessity" that personally I find abhorrent to the core. The one good thing that may come out of this senseless war is that maybe Israel will on longer have a choice but give the Palestinians land and independence, the sooner the better.

!But it's a genocide

As Jews we see the definition of "Genocide" quite differently. I personally lost at least a third of my extended family in WW2. Genocide is when you are systematically trying to kill off an ethnicity or a people. But Israel is not killing its Arab citizens, nor the Arabs in Judea and Samaria, nor all Gazans. The enemy is Hamas (well, and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, on the way). They are the group who declared they would like to kill all Jews, starting with the Israelis, and demonstrated what will happen if they are given free reign, then went to hide under defenceless civilians. Like most wars taking place within civilian neighbourhoods, there are high numbers of collateral casualties, and soldiers on both sides. Israeli soldiers including many officers on the ground, were injured or killed. If we were trying to kill all the civilians, we would not have bothered going into Gaza on foot and in tanks, we would carpet bomb from the air and not warn anyone. This is clearly not the case. We warn, we helped evacuate Gazans when Hamas was in the way, we go in on foot to try and surgically kill terrorists with even less collateral damages.

…Well you obviously think Israel is so perfect

Oh, no, I have lots and lots of criticism of my government and army. Aside from handling our own civilian situation badly, being totally unprepared on October 6th and barely starting to wake up on October 12th, this government has been dysfunctional, Ben-Gvir and the religious "zionism" have been taking liberties executing ethnic cleansing moves in the west bank, there are a lot of functional issued going uninvestigated by the army, and Bibi Netanyahu seems uninterested in trying to reach any agreements to release more of our hostages. It's a clusterfuck of incompetency, evil doers and agents of chaos making up our government. I am no longer certain at all if we should keep fighting and not stop to call the Hamas' bluff and see if they actually negotiate the release of the hostages. Israel is passively dragged around by Hamas instead of initiating creative ways of moving the negotiations along.

The situation is hard, and sad, and difficult. I personally believe the Palestinians of Gaza will have much better lives without a terror organization in charge, and I hope that means we will be able to return to a calmer time and start planning a permanent agreement that leads to independence. whether it's a two or three state solution. Israelis will have to give up claims to land in the west bank, the Palestinians will have to give up claims to all of Israel. In general the extremists will have to be takes down 8 notches on all sides. The sooner we have an independent state (or states) for the Palestinians, we can hope that in a generation or two of peace and commerce we can even have open borders. That's the only sane way forward.

We are going to have enough problems with energy, clean water, climate change, climate refugees from Africa, so much shit is going to hit so many fans in the next decades, we really should put aside the fights we can prevent so we can do the right things to help the suffering from the problems we can't prevent.

I hope I managed to condense my frame of thought into this tiny answer. fire away if you have questions, or if you know how to get an English post to display with correct directionality of the titles in a Hebrew WP blog…